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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:32:00 -
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Since we have already begun the new election cycle for the Council of Stellar Management, I felt that it's best to take the opportunity to encourage our up-coming CSM-member Overlords to put forth their views and ideas regarding the single most critical issue surrounding the industry profession: Mining.
Before I get started, I just want to make it abundantly clear that I am not running for the CSM. The purpose of this thread is to give our candidates a chance to present their thoughts and ideas regarding the issue at hand. I ask that all candidates stick to the issue at hand and not stray off topic to anything that is not related to the mining profession.
Mining
We all know that the mining profession in the game has suffered a lot for a long time and it's already gotten to the point where it has even been regarded as a crap profession in which capsuleers throughout New Eden are treated like dirt. The rewards gained from mining asteroids compared to the amount of time and resources needed to invest in specializing in this area (skill books, buying the ship and related mods, insurance, and searching for profitable systems) are minimal at best and miserable at worst if you take into account the wave of ganks that has increased during the past six months or so (especially since Crucible was released. But of course, this is just one part of the issue at hand.
Bots
The second issue is a big one. Bots. Those who do stay on the keyboard in front of their computer for hours on end (the truly-dedicated, honest-working miners) are frustrated by the fact that there are other players who cheat by employing bot programs that allow them to leave their computers unattended entirely for hours on end without putting in any effort and still rake in boat loads of ISK worth of ore by the end of the day. As a result, the market is flooded with minerals from such illegal activities and therefore the depreciates the value of the ore over time. As a result, the profession has become almost meaningless in terms of profits.
Note: I understand that there are also mission bots, ratting bots, hauling bots and trade bots, but those topics will be discussed in new threads later on. For now, we are focused on the issues related to mining in general.
Candidates, fire away. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:39:00 -
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(Reserved) |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:08:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:The biggest single fix to mining is already in the pipeline under CSM6 - removing of drone alloy drops and replacing them with bounties.
If you don't understand what an impact that has on mining, then you probably don't belong in this thread!
This thread is not for me to present my own ideas for the mining profession. If it was, it wouldn't be posted in this Jita Park Speakers Corner. This thread is to provide a platform for the candidates to provide their own ideas. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:32:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I wasn't replying to 'you' specifically, that's the plural form. Cheers!
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:31:00 -
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Since it's been made clear that the CSM6 has already got the ball rolling on drone part of the equation, let's move on.
What do you candidates propose that CCP do in terms of gameplay to curb or discourage the use of mining bots without making it too much of a hassle or inconvenience for the legitimate miners out there? |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:54:00 -
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My reserved post has been updated. Please see the link below for details.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=783442#post783442 |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:16:00 -
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Bump
***CSM Interstellar Debate - Mining Profession***
***CSM Interstellar Debate - Combat PvP*** |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.02.27 13:28:00 -
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Nice to see how we got the ball rolling here. Let's keep this up guys.
As for some of you who posted links to my thread in your signatures, thank you very much. I appreciate it. I also greatly appreciate that the people here have remained quite civilized in this discussion.
Revolution Rising, you are absolutely right when you say that if anyone here in the forums wants the mining profession to be iterated on then they will have to make sure they make their voices heard. If no one tries, then no one should be surprised if this doesn't get iterated on in the foreseeable future.
***CSM Interstellar Debate - Mining Profession***
***CSM Interstellar Debate - Combat PvP*** |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.02.27 17:17:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
If CCP wanted to be really clever, they would do what Netflix did - release anonymized databases of log information (of known human players, known bot players, and a set of unclassified players) and have a content for interested parties to come up with the best adaptive bot detector. That would reverse the equation, because now the defenders will be more numerous, have more time, and be on-average smarter than the bot writers. I am sure such a contest would attract attention from outside the EVE community.
Interesting concept, but what are the downsides of this idea (if any)?
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.28 15:08:00 -
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Mining - Why it needs to be saved and how to do it
Even though I am just hosting this thread, I figured I would include this other thread someone else posted now that we are discussing mining.
What do you candidates think about the ideas proposed by Mors Sanctitatis?
Actually, let me break this down for you for easy understanding:
- What is your take on the idea of a compressed ore suddenly showing up by chance in your cargo hold while mining?
- What do you think of the idea of judging an asteroid's quality by how fast they rotate and how the veins on the surface of the rocks look?
- As stated later in the thread linked here and in reference to question #2, what do you think of the idea regarding survey scanners?
Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
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